Posts by Doug Mason

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Witnessing after the Big A?

by Doug Mason in

i had the understanding that after "armageddon", the jws would be witnessing to resurrected people who had not rejected them during their earthly lifetime, in addition to all those who had lived before the wts existed, plus every dead child and baby.

is that still taught by the wts?.

1. presumably all dead earthly-hope jws are resurrected first.. 2. then all jws would have to be taught what is the true truth.

Doug Mason

leaving quietly!

20 billion! I cannot believe it. That's 3 times today's population! Wow!

These it-2 figures of 3% and 24 years invoke the "rule of 72" that relates to compound interest; money in the bank left at compound interest doubles according to this rule. In other words, if you deposit $100 at 3% using compound interest (interest on the principle as well as on the interest earned) would double after 24 years. (10% per annum would double after 7.2 years, and so on).

For example, at 3% interest a deposit of $100 would become $103 after 1 year. The next year's 3% interest is then earned on that new figure of $103 (becoming $106.90) and so on, until it reaches $200 after 24 years.

This means that to reach 20 billion after 24 years at 3% annual growth, the initial resurrection on the first day is 10 billion. Even that is greater than today's total population of planet Earth.

The WTS's 3% growth figure would mean that at the anniversary of the first year a further 300 million would be resurrected. Then at the end of the second year, a further 309 million would be resurrected. The number being resurrected keeps increasing at the end of each following year, until year 24 is reached when 575 million are resurrected.

However, to confuse the unwary, they say that the process is going to take 300 years to reach 20 billion. But their 3% and 24 years sets the ground rules.

Using the principle of compound interest, as they explicitly apply, to reach 20 billion in 300 years still requires an initial resurrection on day one of 10 billion. The annual rate of increase would be much smaller - using the "rule of 72" it would be 0.24%. So the resurrection at the end of year 1 would be 2.4 million. It would increase each year so that at the end of year 299, there would be 49 million resurrections.

Doug

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Witnessing after the Big A?

by Doug Mason in

i had the understanding that after "armageddon", the jws would be witnessing to resurrected people who had not rejected them during their earthly lifetime, in addition to all those who had lived before the wts existed, plus every dead child and baby.

is that still taught by the wts?.

1. presumably all dead earthly-hope jws are resurrected first.. 2. then all jws would have to be taught what is the true truth.

Doug Mason

I had the understanding that after "Armageddon", the JWs would be witnessing to resurrected people who had not rejected them during their earthly lifetime, in addition to all those who had lived before the WTS existed, plus every dead child and baby. Is that still taught by the WTS?

If so, then:

1. Presumably all dead earthly-hope JWs are resurrected first.

2. Then all JWs would have to be taught what is the true Truth. The 144,001 might have a role here, calling out from heaven, provided Russell, Rutherford and their descendants can be made to agree. They would need to communicate in a common language.

3. Then the non-JWs would start to be resurrected. Let's assume only 5 billion will come back to life - whether as spirits or as humans, I do not know.

4. Let's assume that one million are resurrected on the first day; the JWs have one day to convince each of that one million to become a WTS-follower. Presumably communication with them is in a common language.

5. On the following day, another million come are brought up from graves in the ground and from the waters. JWs extend their work to that next million.

6. EXERCISE: If one million are resurrected each day, calculate how many days before the 5 billion have been resurrected. (Hint: to get the number of days, divide 5,000,000,000 by 1,000,000. Then divide that answer by 365 to get the number of years.)

7. Until they are killed off again after 1,000 years (by edict from the 144,001 and the earthly JWs?), the resurrected ones will need to be fed, clothed, housed, and managed. I suppose they are now vegans.

Have you not seen these pictures in the WTS's books and magazines?

Doug

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Pecking Order in the Millennium

by Cold Steel in

okay, the smoke has cleared.

everyone's dead who had it coming and the remainder find that their bodies have been changed.

no more disease, no more aging, no more human weaknesses and the weather is perfect.

Doug Mason

I suppose everyone will have to learn ancient Hebrew or maybe Aramaic. Or maybe 17th century Elizabethan English?

Of course it would be best if everyone worked in Orstralyan. That would get rid of accents.

Doug

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Pecking Order in the Millennium

by Cold Steel in

okay, the smoke has cleared.

everyone's dead who had it coming and the remainder find that their bodies have been changed.

no more disease, no more aging, no more human weaknesses and the weather is perfect.

Doug Mason

Explain how the weather will be "perfect" each day. Will the axis of the earth relative to its spin be changed? Would this ensure perfect weather from north pole to south pole?

Will there be no need for rain?

I gather that JWs will be busy educating all the people as they are resurrected from death in order to give them the chance to hear their message. Given the number of people who throughout all the ages have not had the privilege of listening to CTR and his descendants, how many millions will be raised each year (if there are "years"), for how many years, and how will JWs manage to reach each one of them? When will God destroy the people who decide to reject the JWs message during the millennium? Who will make the decision?

Electricity would be a danger, especially for the people who lived before the 20th century. No computers, no MacDonalds or KFC, no children, everyone aged 21. Everyone a vegan, including all the beasts in the waters.

Give me a break.

Doug

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Who wants to live forever?

by Doug Mason in

what will living be like after 5 billion years?.

doug.

Doug Mason

I want to thank every one of you for sharing your innermost thoughts. I look forward to reading more; this question affects our attitdude to our everyday life. Yes, I am old: 73. I do not want to give my own personal view at this stage, since I do not want to make it appear as if I am winding up the discussion.

I wonder what the effect was of seeing the title, of thinking about your response, and of reading what others told you about themselves. Not in an argumentive way, but with respect.

Doug

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Who wants to live forever?

by Doug Mason in

what will living be like after 5 billion years?.

doug.

Doug Mason

What will living be like after 5 billion years?

Doug

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Preterism vs The Rapture??

by DATA-DOG in

in the preterist view, all scripture is fulfilled.

when jesus said to his disciples, " this generation ", he meant it.

they would not pass away until they saw the destruction of jerusalem.

Doug Mason

As 1 Thess 4 shows, Paul expected the Coming to take place during his own lifetime. The Thessalonians were concerned that Paul had taught them to prepare for the imminent Coming, and they had written to him that some of those who had received that message had since died, which they could not understand. (When decades after, Paul's expectations were not fulfilled, another writer modified his epectations; we now call that pseudonymous writing 2 Thessalonians).

The people who wrote of "this generation" in their Gospel similarly expected the imminent Coming.

Their expectations have been repeated throughout subsequent generations and no doubt will continue to do so for the forseeable future. Learn the lesson that history teaches. (Of course, the story does help some people cope with the pressures and problems of life.)

Doug

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1927-1946 Messengers Combined!

by Atlantis in

i don't remember who requested this file, but anyway here it is..1927-1946 messengers combined.

click the green download button http://www.fileflyer.com/view/0qrgibm..atlantis

Doug Mason

A few historically interesting references from this compilation.

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Bible Students the world over expected that with the expiration of the Times of the Gentiles, in 1914, God's kingdom would begin to exercise its authority over the nations of earth. And it was established, but in a different way from what we thought. The Devil was removed from his spiritual throne of rulership in heaven, from which position he had ruled the earth, as "the god of this world". (August 6, 1928, page 7)

We joyfully embrace and take the name which the mouth of the Lord God has named, and we desire to be known as and called by the name, to wit, Jehovah's witnesses.—Isa. 43:10-12; 62:2; Rev. 12:17. (July 28, 1931, page 3)

Historical sketch of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (August 12, 1946 pages 8-10)

N. H. Knorr, convention servant, introduced a real surprise, a new portable phonograph designed for doorstep witnessing and made to play in a vertical position. It had a number of new features. (September 1940, page 15)

"AWAKE" The New Magazine (August 9, 1946, page 3)

F. W. Franz conducting the convention orchestra. (August 11, 1946 page 2)

Photo of a young F. W. Franz. (July 22, 1927, page 3)

The Scriptural Beliefs of Jehovah's witnesses. (August 12, 1946, page 17)

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"I would have made a good evangelist"

by Doug Mason in

apologies for the size of this strip.

lack of experience on my part.. .

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Doug Mason

Apologies for the size of this strip. Lack of experience on my part.

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Can it be delayed until 1914?

by Doug Mason in

under the heading of "can it be delayed until 1914?

" in zion's watch tower of july 15, 1894, russell advised his readers that the trouble they were experiencing was taking place exactly as he had anticipated 17 years earlier.. russell's readers were concerned that, given the troubles they were experiencing, matters could not hold out until 1914.. he comforted them with the information that 1914 was not the date for the beginning of the time of trouble, but for its end.. the full text and a scan of that page from the watch tower is available at:.

http://www.jwstudies.com/watchtower_1894_07_15_page_226.pdf .

Doug Mason

Dear Old Hippie,

Not a problem, my friend.

My eye was firmly fixed on any lurkers who might have misconstrued our repartee.

It is my practise to make the most of every opportunity to pass messages on to them, and you provided me with a great opportunity.

Thank you for enabling our joint message to be put to them.

(Ancient) Doug